Forums - Overrated MvC2 Characters? Show all 104 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Strategy & Tactics (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10) -- Overrated MvC2 Characters? (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=23694) Posted by Fusion on 06:07:2001 09:52 PM: Overrated MvC2 Characters? Which characters (1st and 2nd tier) do you believe are the most overrated? Sometimes I believe that Strider is a character that is used often, but doesn't have real top tier capabilities. More of a show off character, IMO. Of course, I don't use him.. so I could be totally wrong. Post your thoughts Posted by dragonkahn on 06:07:2001 09:53 PM: Bitchheart Posted by KenIsDope on 06:07:2001 10:09 PM: black heart is gay Posted by Spider_Sting on 06:07:2001 10:20 PM: cyke has a great aaa but does he really really deserve to be up with magnus? Posted by Fusion on 06:07:2001 10:31 PM: Cyke has a good qcf lp XX mega optic beam. He has a good assist, but he is only good for DHCing into his Mega Optic Blast for chipping damage. He sucks if you're stuck with him last.. Posted by Dasrik on 06:07:2001 10:31 PM: Hating on Blackheart is weak. Period. Posted by Fusion on 06:07:2001 10:33 PM: BH is pretty good, kind of a cheap character, but is still good. Posted by dragonkahn on 06:07:2001 10:47 PM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion BH is pretty good, kind of a cheap character, but is still good. Blackheart is too one-dimensional. Posted by MarkyMark on 06:07:2001 10:52 PM: quote: Originally posted by Spider_Sting cyke has a great aaa but does he really really deserve to be up with magnus? Cyclops is actually a solid fighter, especially with his positioning. Generally, he's the third character, and amongst most other third characters (those used mainly for their assists), Cyclops generally has the advantage of run away and chip damage. I wouldn't rank him in my top tier, but my top tier is different from most anyway. And regarding Strider... I don't think he's overrated at all. I just think he's under-learned. Most people that use Strider don't really know how to use him in the way that the "experts" imagine when they rank him in the top tier. Strider teamed with Doom is truly an amazingly difficult team to both use and fight against. I would say the most overrated character is Cable. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get hit by AHVB anymore, and that makes a big difference. Maybe you guys'll think I'm overrating some guys, but this is what I truly believe makes up the top tier. Sentinel, Strider, Magneto, Spiral, Storm, Doom, and Ironman... Posted by Fusion on 06:07:2001 11:13 PM: Excluding Cable from the top tier is just.. ludacris. Reguardless if you don't get hit by his AHVB's, he is still used by ALL of the top players. It could be the players who play against you with Cable, because everybody leaves themself prone to the AHVB in a match, it's pretty much impossible not to. Honestly, you can't put Strider in the top tier and exclude Cable.. Posted by MarkyMark on 06:07:2001 11:40 PM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion Excluding Cable from the top tier is just.. ludacris. Reguardless if you don't get hit by his AHVB's, he is still used by ALL of the top players. It could be the players who play against you with Cable, because everybody leaves themself prone to the AHVB in a match, it's pretty much impossible not to. Honestly, you can't put Strider in the top tier and exclude Cable.. It's not ludicrous. I mean, if you wanted to include more characters in the top tier than I did, Cable could easily be considered for placement. But when I chose those characters, I considered they're general dominance. Cable has quite a few bad match-ups (anyone with teleports, Storm, Magneto, etc.), which is why I left him out. Sentinel, Strider, Magneto, Spiral, Storm, Doom, Ironman... None of them have inherent flaws that make anyone particularly strong against them. I'm intrigued, though... You seem to value Cable over Strider. No doubt, Cable's much easier to use effectively against average players. But when it comes down to it, Strider is just amazing, and he'll mop up Cable handily. It's not just my competition, guys. I play against plenty of excellent players (at Folsom Gameroom, home to B4, B5, and other large tournaments). Most people know how to avoid Cable's crap now, and it's not surprising. Cable lacks the mobility of all the characters I listed, and ultimately has a real hard time against all of them. Posted by Dasrik on 06:07:2001 11:56 PM: quote: Originally posted by dragonkahn Blackheart is too one-dimensional. You're fighting weak Blackhearts. There are way more options he has than SJ.roundhouse. Fierce demons, jumping short/forward rushdown, and Doom traps also make up the repertoire of a really good BH player. Posted by Fusion on 06:08:2001 12:05 AM: OK let's look at this logically, Mark. How many top 10 in the nation players really substitute Strider for Cable. None... There are hardly any really good players who use Strider as their base character. Most people use Cable, or other top tier characters. Sure, Strider beats Cable 1 on 1.. but who doesn't? Cable isn't much without a good AAA assist to keep rushers away.. Posted by dragonkahn on 06:08:2001 12:13 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dasrik You're fighting weak Blackhearts. There are way more options he has than SJ.roundhouse. Fierce demons, jumping short/forward rushdown, and Doom traps also make up the repertoire of a really good BH player. Sadly enuff, that's the only way to play Blackheart. His strats and gameplay is nuthin too complicated, he's not versatile and he's predictable. Once you find a way to get around that, he will get beat consistently all the time. And the Blackheart player will find it very hard to adapt to a different strat, since Blackheart is so one-dimensional. Posted by TS on 06:08:2001 12:20 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion Sure, Strider beats Cable 1 on 1.. but who doesn't? Cable isn't much without a good AAA assist to keep rushers away.. Not to jump all up in Mark's argument or anything, but I'd like to point out that Strider/Doom beats entire Cable teams, unless that team happens to be Doom/Cable/Ken or something like that. There are plenty of Strider/Doom vids over at Clockw0rk.com, mostly played by Clock himself in tournaments...you might want to watch them. Posted by ThugginPinoy on 06:08:2001 12:36 AM: i think i remember reading about how wong'z magneto had some troubles against strider/doom... Posted by TS on 06:08:2001 12:40 AM: All teams have a problem with Strider/Doom (Strider/Doom/CapCom especially) unless they have Ken or Felicia on their team. Some characters get it worse than others, like the big guys... one of the vids I mentioned shows Blackheart just getting WORKED by Strider/Doom. Posted by dragonkahn on 06:08:2001 01:17 AM: quote: Originally posted by ThugginPinoy i think i remember reading about how wong'z magneto had some troubles against strider/doom... Any Mag has trouble against Strider/Doom. Rushdown is not one of S/D's weaknesses. Posted by Spider_Sting on 06:08:2001 01:17 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion Excluding Cable from the top tier is just.. ludacris. Reguardless if you don't get hit by his AHVB's, he is still used by ALL of the top players. It could be the players who play against you with Cable, because everybody leaves themself prone to the AHVB in a match, it's pretty much impossible not to. Honestly, you can't put Strider in the top tier and exclude Cable.. i'd agree with this one strider is the shit none the less Posted by Fusion on 06:08:2001 01:46 AM: I keep hearing so much about this Strider/Doom trap.. I really want to see it in action. I'm going to download the Clockw0rk matches.. Peace Posted by TS on 06:08:2001 01:50 AM: Just don't be expecting anything to purty or fancy...or perfect for that matter. Clock makes a few mistakes in one of those vids, that really should've gotten him killed. Posted by Ouroborus on 06:08:2001 01:55 AM: Dykelops Bitchheart Fagneto Gayble Captain Cummando Ram-me Sorry, just having fun. Anyways, I have to say Crackheart. I like to use him and he is one of my favorites, but he can't do much damage without a super bar. his battery is kinda good but since he relies on the meter for damage, his battery skills are lacking. But once you get hit with his beam like fast inferno xx heart of darkness, it takes a whole lot of your bar. Posted by n817azn on 06:08:2001 02:00 AM: O.k. Strider is a top tier character, BUT only when he is paired with Doom otherwise he is just average. Blackheart is a very versatile character and i think with out a doubt one of the best in the game, while i'm not that skilled at him i've seen other players totally dominate with him, and do things that i had never thought possible with him........... is only weakness IMO is his lagtime. Now cable is gonna be in the top tier no matter what you do or say............ The fact that you don't get hit by AHVB anymore is great for you, but the potential is still there and the fact that if you or anyone could get hit by AHVB means a dead character if cable has meters. There is no argument there, how could you say that he is overated when he has possibly the best super move in the game. His AHVB is just to powerfull to forget about and is the main reason why he is in the top tier!! n8 Posted by DeathFromAbove on 06:08:2001 02:06 AM: quote: Originally posted by dragonkahn Sadly enuff, that's the only way to play Blackheart. His strats and gameplay is nuthin too complicated, he's not versatile and he's predictable. Once you find a way to get around that, he will get beat consistently all the time. And the Blackheart player will find it very hard to adapt to a different strat, since Blackheart is so one-dimensional. Blackheart is: rushdown, runaway, anti-rush, anti-run, chip-trap, keep-away, primary assist, secondary assist, battery, and/or user. Obviously not all at the same time, but he's certainly a bit more than 1-dimensional. Change your strategy according to your opponent. -DFA Posted by ComboFighter on 06:08:2001 02:45 AM: Cable is over rated Sorry but IMO Cable is over rated. I have no respect for most Cable players, the ones that just run and shoot. Cause all he's about is AHVBx3-5. Yeah, you can win with Cable... big deal. I can go to my local arcade and teach a 7 year old that. He might not get it ever time but he can do it. So how much skill do you think you have playing Cable if 7 year old can do it. Posted by ViPeRsTaR 069 on 06:08:2001 03:02 AM: hey dragonkahn the lakers lost. and their gunna lose the series so u might as well take off that avatar and put go sixers cuz their win streak has ended. Posted by Fusion on 06:08:2001 03:11 AM: Can you teach a 7 year old how to beat Duc Do's Cable? Enough said.. Posted by COLLOSSALSKILLZ on 06:08:2001 03:30 AM: cyclops is not overrated. he deserved all and any credit given to him. i've seriously won games (several) where I was down to him versus two other guys. most of you guys prolly don't know bout this crouching roundhouse launcher. MAD PRIORITY. Ridiculously mad. cyclops is great for charging up the super meter. HIs helper attack is a great setup for many combos. (Storm for me) or (Cable if you like to play European style). hehehe... inside joke... his double jump is phenomenal against sentinel. my dykeclops dominates sentinels. when combined with doom's helper, cyke can chip... chip... chip. not against cable though. sometimes, i start my cyke against cable. the results are almost fifty-fifty. i think my cyke comes out on top more often though. or at least so my friends say. so quit doggin on cyke. PEACE Posted by ComboFighter on 06:08:2001 03:32 AM: No, I can teach a 7 year old how to do AHVBx3-5. Duc Do's Cable I respect from what vids I've seen. He'll rush in with him at times instead just sitting at the other side of the screen, calling out assits and shooting. But everybody has over rated Cable just because of this one move. Posted by n817azn on 06:08:2001 04:18 AM: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 What is wrong with you people, it does not matter who can use him or if they run away or even if a 7 yr. old can use him, the fact is he wins matches point blank!!!!!!!!!!! Tiers are not based on how skilled you have to be, its on how powerfull the character himself/herself is. Cable is really easy to learn, but the fact remains is that he is one of the most powerfull characters in the game and his AHVB puts him in the top tier no matter what anyone says because of his damage capabilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm tired of this argument over and over- anyone can use cable, it takes no skill to use cable...................Who cares, whats your point??!?? IT DOES NOT MATTER HE IS STILL ONE OF THE MOST POTENT CHARACTERS IN DA GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n8 Posted by dragonkahn on 06:08:2001 04:23 AM: quote: Originally posted by ViPeRsTaR 069 hey dragonkahn the lakers lost. and their gunna lose the series so u might as well take off that avatar and put go sixers cuz their win streak has ended. whatevers... Posted by DeathFromAbove on 06:08:2001 05:01 AM: Re: Cable is over rated quote: Originally posted by ComboFighter Sorry but IMO Cable is over rated. I have no respect for most Cable players, the ones that just run and shoot. Cause all he's about is AHVBx3-5. Yeah, you can win with Cable... big deal. I can go to my local arcade and teach a 7 year old that. He might not get it ever time but he can do it. So how much skill do you think you have playing Cable if 7 year old can do it. Uhhh...you proved yourself wrong. If a mere child can win with Cable, then he really ought to be considered a top character, don't you think? -DFA Posted by jlepore on 06:08:2001 05:08 AM: Cable not top tier are you a fucking moron? When cable is in and has meters(when is he in and doesn't have meters) he is THE most feared player in the game, period. He will destroy any flaw you have or mistake you made. Cable with meters can take out two characters in the blink of an eye. Cable is the core of most teams for one reason, he wins matches, nuff said. Posted by Ouroborus on 06:08:2001 05:11 AM: quote: Originally posted by COLLOSSALSKILLZ cyclops is not overrated. he deserved all and any credit given to him. i've seriously won games (several) where I was down to him versus two other guys. most of you guys prolly don't know bout this crouching roundhouse launcher. MAD PRIORITY. Ridiculously mad. cyclops is great for charging up the super meter. HIs helper attack is a great setup for many combos. (Storm for me) or (Cable if you like to play European style). hehehe... inside joke... his double jump is phenomenal against sentinel. my dykeclops dominates sentinels. when combined with doom's helper, cyke can chip... chip... chip. not against cable though. sometimes, i start my cyke against cable. the results are almost fifty-fifty. i think my cyke comes out on top more often though. or at least so my friends say. so quit doggin on cyke. PEACE No ones dogging him. Some people just think he is overrated, not that he is a bad character. Posted by mirage on 06:08:2001 05:22 AM: quote: Originally posted by jlepore Cable not top tier are you a fucking moron? When cable is in and has meters(when is he in and doesn't have meters) he is THE most feared player in the game, period. He will destroy any flaw you have or mistake you made. Cable with meters can take out two characters in the blink of an eye. Cable is the core of most teams for one reason, he wins matches, nuff said. i dont know about you, but i sure as hell fear to death a strider/doom with levels a lot more than cable, lol.. Posted by S3nTiN3L on 06:08:2001 05:29 AM: about cable yhaa you can teach a 7 year old how to do AHVBx3 but R U REALY THAT STUPID TO FALL FOR IT???? if you are then you suck! anyways how dose the doom/strider trap work (ive been workin on my own spiral/doom trap) ohh and i think you do need skill to play with cable cuz you jus cant (like people say) jus VB and assist all day cuz if you play GOOD people thay can AHVB YOU or HSF or jus teleport or super jump like thow out assit,super jump, the STUPID 7 year old AHVB you assist and you land behind him to do WHAT EVER YOU WANT.anyways SENTINEL kicks ASS!!!!! later Posted by DarthSalamander on 06:08:2001 05:34 AM: I'm just throwing this comment out there: How come players like Duc, Wong, Ortiz, Floe, Arturo, etc. don't use Strider/Doom? Valle I have been told has given up Strider/Doom for Sent/BH/Capcom. Also stop hating on BH. Posted by Six-Armed on 06:08:2001 05:40 AM: Blackheart is not a bad character at all. I think he might be even better than Spiral in terms of controlling space (dont take that as BH is better than Spiral, cuz he is not). Strider / Doom is VERY good but I think its a hard team to win consistantly with especially in tournements. Cable will ALWAYS be a tourney top tier, although I believe he's over rated as well. He can DEFINITELY be beaten and he does have TONS of bad match ups, but he can take advantage so fast, which is the reason he's always going to be in tourney teams. By the way, Arturo's main team used to be Strider / Doom, which he also replaced with Doom / Cable / Blackheart. AK used to use Magneto / Strider / Doom for awhile and now he's switched to Magneto / Storm / Tron Bonne (Scary ass team). Posted by Ouroborus on 06:08:2001 05:44 AM: I think that Storm is kinda overrated too. Posted by Combo Master on 06:08:2001 06:06 AM: quote: Originally posted by Dasrik Hating on Blackheart is weak. Period. HATING ON ANYONE IS WEAK!! PERIOD!! Posted by ogretactics on 06:08:2001 06:09 AM: Storm is in no way overrated im sry man... If you can anticipate an assist hail storm them...her combo that resets the damage then you do lightning attackXXhailstorm is nasty.Plus she has an air dash and a really good run away game....what more can you ask for? Also she can float in the air and stay up there without flight mode which she also has btw.Why do you think shes overrated im interested in knowing why you think that... Posted by Dasrik on 06:08:2001 06:14 AM: quote: Originally posted by DarthSalamander How come players like Duc, Wong, Ortiz, Floe, Arturo, etc. don't use Strider/Doom? Valle I have been told has given up Strider/Doom for Sent/BH/Capcom. I believe it's because Strider/Doom takes mad energy to maintain... I know because I tried playing with that team for awhile, and even though I got wins, I was so pooped that I could barely maintain them for very long. Posted by Fusion on 06:08:2001 06:16 AM: The Strider/Doom trap doesn't last forever.. that's the thing. It sure will do a hell of a lot of damage, but by the time it's over.. you really didn't do too much. Here you are, with a mediocre character, and Cable/Mags in your face. Uh oh... It's not like if you do 50% damage, Cable is bound to lose the rest playing against Strider. I've seen that happen, and Cable not lose but 10% of his life the rest of the match.. Cable is deadly when you're using Strider/Doom, and you're all out of HC's. Your other character is dead, or close to it, because he had to build all those damn HC's. A smart player would run away from strider, using maybe Capcom for an assist to stop the rush. If the person switched out, free lk, mk, hk XX AHVB. One AHVB x 3 (or less) will kill off your Strider like nothin.. he takes damage. Even if you don't switch out, a good Cable will find his opportunity to either knock off Doom, or Strider. There goes your precious god damn trap Now you're left with a beat up 3rd character, and Doom or Strider all by himself with little to no HC's. Good luck... The trap sounds great in theory, but for reasons I just explained above, no top tourney players use the team anymore. Posted by NIN_CrimzinTerry on 06:08:2001 06:36 AM: Um Strider/Doom gets eatin alive by Captain commando Assist take my word for it alive, now your thinking to your self his orobus stops commandos assist but keep in mind push away assist and if strider teleports boom commando eats him trust me keep hitting assist button for commando when fighting this team take my word for it ive played really good strider doom teams i mean really good teams and ive eatin strider alive with capcom assist. Posted by Fusion on 06:08:2001 06:43 AM: I was thinkin maybe Cable - projectile, Capcom - AAA, Cyke - AAA With cable out, you know what to do.. AHVB! If cable dies, and you have Capcom out, get in close to doom, assist with Cyke, Captain Sword. If you happen to be stuck with Cyke. You should have some HC's, so just qcf lp XX Mega Optic Beam. Or just Mega Optic Blast his assist.. Posted by Ouroborus on 06:08:2001 07:46 AM: quote: Originally posted by ogretactics Storm is in no way overrated im sry man... If you can anticipate an assist hail storm them...her combo that resets the damage then you do lightning attackXXhailstorm is nasty.Plus she has an air dash and a really good run away game....what more can you ask for? Also she can float in the air and stay up there without flight mode which she also has btw.Why do you think shes overrated im interested in knowing why you think that... Yes, she is all great and that but I just find that she is very overrated. There has been numerous sayings that she has no bad matches execpt for Dhalsim. Well, I beg to differ because Sentinel, Magneto, and Strider does gives her some trouble and hardly anyone focus on it. There are even sayings that she is the best chipper just because she can build the bar the fastest. She is all great and shit but I feel that she is overrated. Her rushdown is quite good but its hard to rush. Her combos whiffs at times especially against smaller characters and her lp and lk does not have much priority. Her launcher is great and all but it has bad lag. Her float is great on runaways but its kinda a hindrance on rushdowns. Storm is one of my favorite characters in the game and she has almost everything you can ask for but she is pretty overrated. Posted by MarkyMark on 06:08:2001 08:25 AM: TS, thanks for backing me up. It should be noted, a Strider/Doom without levels is by no means DOA. If it were, then the team would never have been formed. Strider can simply do some sort of short ground chain and call Doom AAA, then teleport to the opposite side of the opponent, throw attacks, call Doom, teleport... Really, a good Strider/Doom will ALWAYS have Doom on one side of you and Strider on the other. That's why the team is so good. I also suppose that this should be noted... This is all theoretical to a point. I mean, you're absolutely right, most of the top players DON'T play Strider/Doom. Why? Because to keep the duo working optimally is much more (much more) difficult than playing Cable/whoever. I'm not saying that Duc doesn't have the skills to play Strider/Doom at all... I'm saying that in practice, Strider/Doom takes a whole lot more work to do what others can do. Strider/Doom just does it best. Strider/Doom has no inherent character weaknesses. It's only weakness is its high degree of difficulty, and the reliance on Strider, who has some of the most horrible stamina in the game. If you're still wondering why I didn't put Cable in my "top tier," look at the characters again. They're all better than Cable. No doubt, Cable, Blackheart and Iceman can readily defeat the rest of the characters in the game, but those top seven are above the rest. ...And now I'll upset you all, and say that as soon as I see the Japanese Dhalsim versus our American teams, I'll consider his placement in my top tier. Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:08:2001 08:27 AM: Spiral- More of an offense-based/ lockdown character. Magneto-No good assist. Projectile and capture are decent at best. Cable-Sucks 1v1. Players who know how to use snapbacks well shouldn't have any problem. Strider- Dosen't take damage well, average without doom Sentinal- BIG. In my opinion, the true top tier should consist of: BH, cyclops, Doom, Storm and IM. And btw, 'Karis ownz Cable and RUNAWAY(NOT rushdown) Storm. Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:08:2001 08:29 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion Can you teach a 7 year old how to beat Duc Do's Cable? Enough said.. MMMAAAAYYYYYYYYBBBBBEEEEEE Posted by MarkyMark on 06:08:2001 08:33 AM: quote: Originally posted by ShoFunaki Spiral- More of an offense-based/ lockdown character. Magneto-No good assist. Projectile and capture are decent at best. Cable-Sucks 1v1. Players who know how to use snapbacks well shouldn't have any problem. Strider- Dosen't take damage well, average without doom Sentinal- BIG. Spiral's traps are just deadly with Sentinel. Fear her GOOD. Magneto doesn't need good assists. He's almost always a primary point character. What do Snap Backs have to do with Cable's weaknesses? Strider takes horrible damage, but he shouldn't take much if you're playing right on. Sentinel's size doesn't hinder his mobility. He's possibly the most mobile character in the game, challenged only by Storm, Magneto and Dhalsim. I'd also like to add this in... In more than a few tournaments, once the top guys are versus the top guys, it seems to me that Cable's usage drops considerably. Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:08:2001 08:48 AM: quote: Originally posted by MarkyMark Spiral's traps are just deadly with Sentinel. Fear her GOOD. Magneto doesn't need good assists. He's almost always a primary point character. What do Snap Backs have to do with Cable's weaknesses? Strider takes horrible damage, but he shouldn't take much if you're playing right on. Sentinel's size doesn't hinder his mobility. He's possibly the most mobile character in the game, challenged only by Storm, Magneto and Dhalsim. I'd also like to add this in... In more than a few tournaments, once the top guys are versus the top guys, it seems to me that Cable's usage drops considerably. Snapback Cable, bring character X/Y in, kill X and Y, and Cable's got no assists, making him more or less worthless. When I'm saying Size with Sentinal, I'm not talking mobility. Wide range attacks hit him more, causing more damage. Now that I think about it, Cable seems taller than Colossus. Posted by n817azn on 06:08:2001 05:06 PM: IMO Cable does not suck one on one!! Average players who do not really know how to play Cable suck one on one, because all they know how to do is run away. The most skille players know how to fight one on one, and can do fine in a one on one scenario. For instance yesterday at the arcade i messed up and got two of my characters killed off really quick and i was stuck with cable with about 75% energy and max meters. He still had all 3 of his characters, his first one cable, at about 25% and the other two were full. Well i caught him slippin ahvb, one down. Next one Commando GB but messed up on the ahvb. but i act like i'm rushing down at him to get him to call his assist and when he does ahvb!! It takes me a while but i kill commando by keeping him away with fp gunshots in the air and vp. But by this point i'm down to about 20% and his cyc. comes in with about 70%, and of course he runs away(there's about 20 sec. left) I catch him finally in the lk,mk,rh, but the ahvb doesn't come out so he barely escapes with a win. And no he was not a scrub either. I don't consider myself even a master with cable but even i fared well against three characters with commandos assist comin out at me too. If thats me imagine what someone like Duc can do with him!! n8 Posted by Iceman on 06:08:2001 06:33 PM: Cable's worthless without assists? Please explain this one. Posted by Fusion on 06:08:2001 06:57 PM: Cable 1 on 1 tip.. Stay superjumping, keeping them from getting inside of you (depending on character of course). And then, when they think you're just gonna jump around like a bunny all day, you drop in with a j.HK, land, c.lk, c.mk, s.hk AHVB! If you do it right, the j.HK will always link into his ground combo.. so you don't have to go suicidal and try to land a lk 1 on 1. Posted by Gradius on 06:08:2001 09:14 PM: Re: Cable is over rated quote: Originally posted by ComboFighter Sorry but IMO Cable is over rated. I have no respect for most Cable players, the ones that just run and shoot. Cause all he's about is AHVBx3-5. Yeah, you can win with Cable... big deal. I can go to my local arcade and teach a 7 year old that. He might not get it ever time but he can do it. So how much skill do you think you have playing Cable if 7 year old can do it. There's a difference between overrated and just damn broken.. ,-_- Posted by Clockw0rk on 06:09:2001 01:42 AM: .... you'd think I'd have something important and insightful to say about all this Strider discussion, eh? (like Viscant, damn srk scholar) Well uh, I don't, because if it doesn't have to do with school, I don't like putting alot of thought into it. I just decided to post, NOT because my Strider is good (it isn't, at least not until I get my Strider to live up to my handle), but because I saw my name pop up a couple times, heh. Nonetheless, Strider isn't overrated, and definitely belongs in the top tier. If he didn't, there wouldn't BE any arguments about it. Although he takes hits like a girl, he has alot of stuff to avoid those hits (teleports, double jumps, ouro, doom [for Commando]). I say Strider definitely isn't overrated. People know he's only good when played with little error, and that is pretty much is the truth. Of course, all IMHO, and H my O is indeed. - Clockw0rk Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:09:2001 02:03 AM: Fine! I'll retract my staement about Cable being worthless 1v1, but the lack of an AAA will greatly hinder his game, and he can't do a lot of without meter. He is good only under TWO conditions:1) he has at least 3 meters and 2)He has assists. Unlike, say, Cyke. Posted by Mr. Big on 06:09:2001 02:06 AM: Colossus is very underrated. Give a little time with him, he can be abosolutely lethal. I can't think of a trap that he can't break through. Posted by Iceman on 06:09:2001 05:02 AM: Now there's one I agree with 100% Colossus. He might take a little time to get used to (not too much), but fill him up with meter, actiavate armor and watch him go. Problem is, he has a rough time against anyone with beams (CABLE and CYCLOPS). Posted by Mr. Big on 06:09:2001 05:52 AM: Definitely! Beamers don't give me too much trouble most of the time. Especially if you are good with the Power Dive. I've hit -so- many people with that move while they're trying to blast me. Juggy's underrated too, but that works to my advantage. People's opinons of Jug's change quickly when I hit them with a 9 hit combo (with no specials or supers) and it takes 50%-60% of their life. Posted by DarthSalamander on 06:09:2001 07:28 AM: quote: Originally posted by ShoFunaki Fine! I'll retract my staement about Cable being worthless 1v1, but the lack of an AAA will greatly hinder his game, and he can't do a lot of without meter. He is good only under TWO conditions:1) he has at least 3 meters and 2)He has assists. Unlike, say, Cyke. Generally 1 and 2 are almost always true. Posted by Fusion on 06:09:2001 08:06 AM: He is also good with 2 meters, he can kill an assisting character with two if you rescale the damage right. And yes, he DOES need an AAA to keep people like mags.. er any rusher actually.. off of him Posted by ShadyK on 06:09:2001 09:32 AM: quote: Originally posted by Clockw0rk .... you'd think I'd have something important and insightful to say about all this Strider discussion, eh? (like Viscant, damn srk scholar) I don't wanna reply to this scrubby thread but I'll reply cuz you did also. Whoever said Strider doesn't do enough damage after all the chipping and shit and Strider "runs" out of meter: You obviously suck at MVC2. If Strider does his lockdown right with 2 meters, he will use up 2 and gain at least 3/4s a meter. All he needs more is to throw a couple dogs, call out a striker assist like Commando or Sentinel and he'll have his orbs again. It's called hit-and-run Strider. Who says Strider has to always be rushing that shit down? Strider can throw birds and dogs for free on everyone except Storm and Cable (and sometimes Sentinel if you dont have Commando). By the time Strider throws 3 or 4 dogs, the other character will probably have superjumped and all Strider has to do is backdash + Commando or crossup + Doom. You don't wanna run away from Strider either since he'll just build meter and you'll regret it later when you're in 8 minutes of blockstun. Also, the chip damage is only 50% of why Strider is so good. Alot of people who get in the trap will struggle and then start getting hit by things like orbs and rocks -- shit adds up if you get hit by enough of them... and if you do get hit by orbs, one strider air combo will get him his used meter back. Back into the trap you go. Using Strider is a mixed-bag. He's really hard to use and it takes alot of work and concentration. He's also joystick-dependent. You CANNOT play him on shitty joysticks that do not tell the difference between QCF and DP motions. Strider/Doom IS one of the best teams, though. His BIGGEST weakness is when he has little to no meter against a decent Sentinel. Ok that's all. Posted by Fusion on 06:09:2001 07:09 PM: Yes, it is probably the best team/trap if you can do it perfectly like you're talking about. It's a big risk going with Strider/Doom unless you mastered the team.. and you make no mistakes. If you can do it perfectly, great. I still haven't played anybody who can do it as good as you say you can. The weakness of the trap is it requires a ton of skill.. and quick thinking. One mess up and Strider gets wacked. The only reason I ever stated that Strider was overrated is because of this, the trap is very very hard to do.. and when you don't have Doom, he's just crap. If you have Doom, and you can use Strider/Doom trap VERY VERY well, then yes, he is UNDERRATED even. But for the most part, people praise him and can't even do the trap. And I resent the "scrub thread" thing.. an arrogant thing to say when you don't know any of the people posting in it. Peace Posted by Sepehr on 06:09:2001 11:54 PM: I think ironman should not be in the top list. Of course he has nice infinity which you can finish with a proto canon but still i do not think he is really that good compare to someone like, Send, Cable, doom and ... Posted by NormalGuy on 06:10:2001 01:06 AM: I agree with what Clockwork and ShadyK has to say about Strider/Doom, it takes great concentration to play the team and sometimes one mistake can make your team from one of the best in the game to something that just plain sucks (Doom/CapCom or Strider/CapCom). In practice I found it's so much easier to play this team because there's no pressure, if you lose just put another quarter up and try again. In tournament situations however, you're nervous and sometimes you don't get enough practice with the sticks you're playing on. All a Strider player has to do is miss a teleport which he has to do alot to get the opponent in between Doom/Strider, get a wall climb and if you're facing one of those characters that can do damage in a hurry, it's almost always ggpo for you. But the power of this team can not be ignored, Strider/Doom should always beat Cable/AAA unless that AAA is Ken, someone said all you have to do is keep trying to call CapCom and he'll get Strider off you which is simply not true. Strider is your main weapon to do most of the damage for you so you always want to keep him alive at all cost. If you teleport with orbs on, you don't need to anything on the way down, those orbs will trap or hit your opponent for you if they try anything. Most of the time it will hit CapCom before he can even pull out a Corridor but if he does, you'll be blocking and your orbs will be hitting CapCom and making the point character block so you can start your trap. You're not playing a very good Strider/Doom if he can't keep Strider alive and getting hit by CapCom AAA too much. So I just want to say NO Strider is not overrated because if played right, that team should win against any team out there because it has no weakness. Its only somewhat bad matchup is against a runaway Storm with a lead, but you just have to be patient and stay under the Storm and throw out your animals, they charge up your meter fairly quickly and if you see them do something fancy (vertical typhoons) just call CapCom and you'll hit her right out of it. On another note, don't diss on BH, BH is nasty when given the right assist (Cycylops AAA) and he serves his purpose very well by battery for Cable and chipping the other person's life safely except against Cable. Posted by Combo Master on 06:10:2001 02:15 AM: Hummm...Sounds like war!! BTW, all of your arguments about Strider/Doom teams is really helping me out. You see, I am trying to get ready for that B5 tourney and I want to know everything about MvC2 (I know, it'll take a lifetime..but)! So if I ready by then, I'll try my best to get to the tourney!!! Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:10:2001 03:06 AM: Actually, I'd rather build meter for thanos than for Cable, since BH and Thanos have more in common, and I can do the Thanos berserker mode Posted by DeathFromAbove on 06:10:2001 03:39 AM: quote: Originally posted by ShoFunaki Actually, I'd rather build meter for thanos than for Cable, since BH and Thanos have more in common, and I can do the Thanos berserker mode OK, I give. What's Thanos' "Berserker mode?" Posted by Ouroborus on 06:10:2001 03:45 AM: Wouldn't it be easier to use Striders HK and LK teleports instead of his punches? It doesn't keep them locked on as good but still gets the job done nevertheless. And Iron Man is top tier. He can play keepaway just as good as Doom. His smartbombs are hard or impossible to stop once it is released. Top tier means dominating and thats what Iron Man is, dominating. Posted by COLLOSSALSKILLZ on 06:10:2001 04:15 AM: storm is just beautiful... in more ways than one. all the credit given to her is WELL-DESERVED and in no way is she overrated. she can take out magneto easily, i'm having trouble with sentinel, and i don't know bout dhalsim cuz no one picks him where i play. Posted by Ouroborus on 06:10:2001 04:39 AM: quote: Originally posted by COLLOSSALSKILLZ storm is just beautiful... in more ways than one. all the credit given to her is WELL-DESERVED and in no way is she overrated. she can take out magneto easily, i'm having trouble with sentinel, and i don't know bout dhalsim cuz no one picks him where i play. Where do you play at? Posted by MarkyMark on 06:10:2001 05:15 AM: I haven't seen any good Dhalsim's either. Heck, mine's the best I've seen, and that's bad. But I do think he's a good character, and possibly worth a lot more than he gets credit for. Posted by MarkyMark on 06:10:2001 05:27 AM: quote: Originally posted by ShadyK I don't wanna reply to this scrubby thread but I'll reply cuz you did also. What's that supposed to mean? Posted by MarkyMark on 06:10:2001 05:45 AM: quote: Originally posted by Ouroborus Wouldn't it be easier to use Striders HK and LK teleports instead of his punches? It doesn't keep them locked on as good but still gets the job done nevertheless Kick teleports have way too much lag at the end of them. With punch teleports, you can block or attack on the way down. With kickss, you've got to wait until you land, and then even a bit after until you can do anything. Posted by Ouroborus on 06:10:2001 05:53 AM: quote: Originally posted by MarkyMark Kick teleports have way too much lag at the end of them. With punch teleports, you can block or attack on the way down. With kickss, you've got to wait until you land, and then even a bit after until you can do anything. Doesn't the Ouroborus or Doom's AAA take care of the lag? Posted by NormalGuy on 06:10:2001 05:59 AM: quote: Originally posted by MarkyMark Kick teleports have way too much lag at the end of them. With punch teleports, you can block or attack on the way down. With kickss, you've got to wait until you land, and then even a bit after until you can do anything. Punch teleports allow you to react to what the opponent is doing to your assist, if you call CapCom and teleport immediately, even if Cable decides to AHVB your assist, you can come out of the teleport and slash him, therefore saving your assist from taking too much damage and make them waste a level. I don't use the kick teleport all that much except when I have orbs on and I am trying to trap Storm, seems like she always finds a way to escape the trap. Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 12:52 AM: The first post I said that I think Strider MIGHT be overrated, and I also said "and I might not have any idea what I'm talking about" This kind of changed my mind.. I watched Clockw0rk use Strider, and he's deadly =\ Strider should be used more often =) Posted by Magneto83 on 06:11:2001 04:58 AM: I think if sentinal, cable, blackheart, and spiral were taken out of the game it would be alot better. No more cheapness. HEH. Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:11:2001 05:01 AM: quote: Originally posted by Magneto83 I think if sentinal, cable, blackheart, and spiral were taken out of the game it would be alot better. No more cheapness. HEH. Cool Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 05:56 AM: quote: Originally posted by Magneto83 I think if sentinal, cable, blackheart, and spiral were taken out of the game it would be alot better. No more cheapness. HEH. ahem. SCRUB Posted by MarkyMark on 06:11:2001 06:03 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion And I resent the "scrub thread" thing.. an arrogant thing to say when you don't know any of the people posting in it. ... ahem SCRUB Whoops. Anyone else think Servbot is highly underrated? Posted by ShoFunaki on 06:11:2001 06:33 AM: ME! He owns sentinal. Posted by segafreak on 06:11:2001 06:50 AM: 1)Servbot doesn't own Sentinel,it depends on a lot of factors.. 2)Shofunaki is just a big shithead of crap and lies.He lies about everything..for example that he won MVC2 tournies here when there wasn't even one in the first place,and he just posts crap combos and crap stuff.Nate X Grey and I have played him before and he sucks way big time.. The bottom line is that don't ever listen to what shofunaki posts,it's all crap!!! Posted by Sentinels Force on 06:11:2001 12:48 PM: quote: Originally posted by Magneto83 I think if sentinal, cable, blackheart, and spiral were taken out of the game it would be alot better. No more cheapness. HEH. ehhhhh no not really because u still have to worrry about strider doom trap or sentinel doom or practically any with doom Posted by Astaroth on 06:11:2001 03:07 PM: ShoFunaki won tournies in Singapore?? SINCE WHEN was there a tourney in Singapore?? I DON'T THINK SO.. Posted by Cipher on 06:11:2001 03:56 PM: the last time astaroth , segafreak and I played shofunaki.. he got T.R.A.S.H.E.D. by all of us. his sonson can fight cable capcom and magneto?? my foot! all he does is jump back and turtle. and doesnt even use assist?!? won tournies? -hmm......- Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 06:15 PM: Nobody really gives a shit So stfu unless you're gonna post something that has to do with this thread Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 06:18 PM: quote: Originally posted by MarkyMark Whoops. Anyone else think Servbot is highly underrated? The guy said the magic word.. "cheap". I'm not saying that everyone is a scrub cuz of that newbie. You're lame mark.. for real man Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 06:22 PM: 2 reasons why Servbot doesn't own Sentinal. 1) A rocket punch does a TON of damage. 2) Due to Sent's super armor, it would take Servbot about 20 air air combos to kill him.. what are the odds of Servbot landing 20 air combos and Sentinal not landing 2 rocket punches? Hmm.. A smart Sent player would just use jumping HK's, lp rocket punches, and HSF or even Plasma Storm if you can link it. Posted by Sentinels Force on 06:11:2001 06:31 PM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion ahem. SCRUB u know hes got to be a scrub Posted by Sentinels Force on 06:11:2001 06:42 PM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion 2 reasons why Servbot doesn't own Sentinal. 1) A rocket punch does a TON of damage. 2) Due to Sent's super armor, it would take Servbot about 20 air air combos to kill him.. what are the odds of Servbot landing 20 air combos and Sentinal not landing 2 rocket punches? Hmm.. A smart Sent player would just use jumping HK's, lp rocket punches, and HSF or even Plasma Storm if you can link it. what whos the dumbass that said that sevebot owns the sentinel whoever is on some serious shit Posted by MarkyMark on 06:11:2001 09:02 PM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion 1) A rocket punch does a TON of damage. So you know, to hit Servbot with a Rocket Punch is to be lucky. To hit Servbot with anything is to be lucky. quote: Originally posted by Fusion 2) Due to Sent's super armor, it would take Servbot about 20 air air combos to kill him.. what are the odds of Servbot landing 20 air combos and Sentinal not landing 2 rocket punches? Servbot's not good because of air combos. It'll take Servbot more than 20 air combos to kill most anyone. Sentinel's super armor lets him absorb hits, though, and has nothing to do with the fact that he has great stamina. Servbot relies on chip damage from his Gamma-type HC, which Sentinel has a harder time than most getting out of. But you're right, Sentinel does own Servbot, as long as Sentinel has an assist that covers the ground directly (like Blackheart AAA - no brainer). A d.HP will go over Servbot's head, a HP Rocket Punch will go over his head (only LP Rocket Punch hits him), and HSF goes over his head almost entirely (only the bottom Drones touch him, and they don't chip much alone)... Sentinel just has to stick to chipping with LK and HK Drones (LK ones aimed down). You can combo into his QCF+PP super from a connected LP Rocket Punch, but again, that's hard to connect. Stick to chipping and keeping Servbot from going far. He's an annoying pest. And flying LKs and HKs aren't too smart to do if he has assists. Since he's so short, you've got to get way too close to the ground to hit him. quote: Originally posted by Fusion You're lame mark.. for real man I just called you doing the same thing you got upset about someone else doing. Presuming that someone's a scrub because of a post (and a short post, at that). The word "cheap" is not reserved for scrubs. And if thinking that makes me a scrub, maybe I'll see you in an arcade when I move to Washington later this year (this isn't meant to be a physical threat - I'll just show you I know what I'm talking about). Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 09:25 PM: To say an entire thread is "scrubby" is much different then calling someone who points out most of the top tier as being "cheap", and that it would be cool if they weren't in the game, an entirely different comment. ShadyK referred to everyone as scrubby, I referred to the one who says they should take out most of the top tier so they would stop getting owned. Much different.. Stop coming down on my posts, every little thing. It gets annoying.. Physical threat.. lol hahahheheheh On the rocket punch deal.. Sentinal+any AAA assist can take out Servbot+anybody else. That's what I was trying to get at. If you have an AAA assist, you can just rush in, assist, and rocket punch away. So it wouldn't be that hard to land a couple. And if they jump, you can just do a standing fierce or HSF for chipping damage. Stop nitpicking. cuz thats lame Posted by Fusion on 06:11:2001 09:35 PM: 2 more things. What city will you move to in washington? Something that is VERY easily linked is c.lp, c.mp, c.qcf lp, XX qcf PP. Thats so easy to link man.. and it would come close to killing Servbot in one combo.. just chip him away with assists after that.. and if he attacks your assist, Rocket Punch... (If he lands a HC against your assist, it won't do much, it does barely more then the chipping damage..) What are we talking about? Of COURSE sent owns Servbot.. wtf Never mind about everything lmao P.S. None of my posts were ever directed at you.. except for "mark you're lame". I'm just confused on why you're picking my posts apart, and trying to prove me wrong about everything. I have nothing against you. Posted by NormalGuy on 06:11:2001 10:07 PM: If you think about it, Servbot can actually be used very effectively. He fits the mode of Battery/User/Main assist perfectly. If you start BH and make him battery only, you will have 5 levels when Servbot comes in, that super chips like crazy when facing big guys (Sent, BH). So after you have used up all your levels, just superjump like crazy and you'll be surprised how hard it is to really hit Servbot in the air, he's just too small to hit and most ground supers miss him completely. His whole game is about chipping since all his moves and normals does so little damage. I would actually play BH/Servbot/Storm or Cyclops, battery for a while, Inferno, HOD, DHC Lunch Rush, Lunch rush, DHC Hailstorm, battery, Hailstorm, DHC HOD, repeat and it's a pretty effective team. Don't get me wrong though, Sent owns Servbot with the right assist. It's just Servbot is not bad at all if you team him up with the right people. It's just the chipping power is too good, I believe I chipped Sentinel once for about 20% with only one super. Posted by MarkyMark on 06:12:2001 12:41 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion 2 more things. What city will you move to in washington? Redmond/Bellevue area. Probably right across the street from DigiPen. quote: Originally posted by Fusion Something that is VERY easily linked is c.lp, c.mp, c.qcf lp, XX qcf PP. I can't get c.LP, c.MP to combo... My bad or does it not? quote: Originally posted by Fusion P.S. None of my posts were ever directed at you.. except for "mark you're lame". I'm just confused on why you're picking my posts apart, and trying to prove me wrong about everything. I have nothing against you. Don't worry, I'm not zeroing in on you. I'm just working to add my best comments on what everyone has to say. You just happened to give some info I had stuff to say about. ...And for the record, five LP Rocket Punches kill Servbot. NormalGuy's got it... I saw one guy using Servbot at a tournament in Folsom a few months back. Dunno if he won any matches or not. But Servbot IS annoying. I have a friend that uses him from time to time, and if I'm using big characters, I usually get pretty frustrated. So then I pull out Strider/Doom. Posted by BshidoHEAT on 06:12:2001 12:52 AM: I think that the following charaters are overrated Jill, Cyke, Psky, and Cable. Posted by Fusion on 06:12:2001 01:47 AM: Oops I meant s.lp, s.mp. Not crouching (my bad, you knew what I meant..). I don't have a DC here and I haven't played in about a month.. so I forget small combos like that =\ Bellevue is right next to Seattle.. maybe I'll see you at an SC tourney..? 5 rocket punches? Um.. I'm not sure about that. You must of had the damage down to 1? Maybe 2.. hell. Like I said before, I haven't played in a month or so. Posted by Fusion on 06:12:2001 01:49 AM: quote: Originally posted by Sentinels Force u know hes got to be a scrub who? Posted by DemiDeviMatt on 06:12:2001 02:00 AM: cyke...sprial/cable(who i hate more than anything!) and that is about it! i feel that IM is most underated and it hink he rules!but mostly cable and spiral also strider errrr! Posted by MarkyMark on 06:12:2001 05:02 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion Oops I meant s.lp, s.mp. Not crouching (my bad, you knew what I meant..). I don't have a DC here and I haven't played in about a month.. so I forget small combos like that =\ Ay, 'tis a good combo... but none of Sentinel's standing attacks hit Servbot. quote: Originally posted by Fusion Bellevue is right next to Seattle.. maybe I'll see you at an SC tourney..? Yes, hopefully . I just hope I can get to Silver Coin (my bicycle is my jalopy). quote: Originally posted by Fusion 5 rocket punches? Um.. I'm not sure about that. You must of had the damage down to 1? Maybe 2.. hell. Like I said before, I haven't played in a month or so. I've got my damage set on default for Dreamcast. Dunno which level it is. I believe it's two. I think Bison is underrated, too. He's got instant teleports to four different places (all with respect to the opponent, like Spiral), and can combo into two Psycho Crushers in the corner. Posted by Fusion on 06:12:2001 05:36 AM: I think that c.lk, c.hk XX HSF links.. maybe it's just c.HK but i remember that linking into HSF. Would be a good way to beat Servbot on the ground. Maybe it's c.HK xx lp rocket punch xx plasma storm? Mark try it out and tell me if either one of those link plz. Bison: I never really liked Bison at all.. I tried using him and he's just crap. Sure you can link those Psycho Crushers in the corner, but when it scales it does like zero damage, because it only does a small amount of hits. He has no real big combos, and the ones he does have require many hyper combos but don't do much damage... P.S. Mark, get a car =P Do you have AIM? My handle is Sessions15, I'm on now. Posted by MarkyMark on 06:16:2001 07:14 AM: quote: Originally posted by Fusion I think that c.lk, c.hk XX HSF links.. maybe it's just c.HK but i remember that linking into HSF. Would be a good way to beat Servbot on the ground. Maybe it's c.HK xx lp rocket punch xx plasma storm? All right... c.LK, c.HK doesn't link... but... c.HK XX (LP) Rocket Punch XX Plasma Storm / HSF works, and you can link the HSF on Servbot if you're quick (it's more difficult than with most other guys). c.HK XX (LP) Rocket Punch XX HSF x 3 completely kills Servbot. quote: Originally posted by Fusion P.S. Mark, get a car =P Do you have AIM? My handle is Sessions15, I'm on now. No AIM, just ICQ. *Shrugs* ...I'll get a car when I... errr, get rich or something. All times are GMT. The time now is 10:11 PM. Show all 104 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.